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Why solve cannot solve this system of diff eq with 3 eq?

Cornel
18-Opal

Why solve cannot solve this system of diff eq with 3 eq?

Hi,

I am making something wrong? Are only 3 differential equations...

Cornel_0-1714392318215.png


But using laplace command this system of differential eq can be solved:

Cornel_1-1714392350034.png

 

See MCP9 file attached.

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Werner_E
24-Ruby V
(To:Cornel)

It may be because of the dependency of the three function in equation #2

 

This works (derivatives of vc1 equals derivative of vc3:

Werner_E_0-1714393522028.png

 

v.C3(0) cannot be chosen freely!

Werner_E_1-1714393620951.png

 

 

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Werner_E
24-Ruby V
(To:Cornel)

It may be because of the dependency of the three function in equation #2

 

This works (derivatives of vc1 equals derivative of vc3:

Werner_E_0-1714393522028.png

 

v.C3(0) cannot be chosen freely!

Werner_E_1-1714393620951.png

 

 

This is the circuit:
@ttokoro 

Cornel_0-1714394218397.png

 

LucMeekes
23-Emerald III
(To:Cornel)

The situation of your circuit is impossible.

To the left of the switch, at t=-0 you have a capacitor C3 charged to 5.7 V, in parallel to the series connection of a diode, that you model with a (constant) voltage source of 0.6 V, and a capacitor C1.

This means that the voltage across C1 must be 5.7-0.6=5.1 V, not the 0 V that you set it.

 

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Luc

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:Cornel)

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As in your suggested case:

Cornel_0-1714396234473.png

This means that in this case voltage at t=0 for C3 to be 5.7V but also we need to force that voltage at t=0 for C1 to be 5V.

But in this case:

Cornel_1-1714396428436.png
We could let voltage at t=0 for C3 to be 5.7V, but also we could let that voltage at t=0 for C1 to be 0V.

What do you think, what is the good approach?

 

For my and my checking it seems that the variant with laplace is ok, but then this means that solve command cannot solve such a system of diff eq while laplace can

Werner_E
24-Ruby V
(To:Cornel)

Your second equation clearly states that v3(t)=v1(t)+VD.

Given that VD is constant and not dependent on t this means that you can't demand an independent initial condition v3(0)=... because v3(0) must equal v1(0)+vD as in my approach above - I forgot to use "simplify so the expression looked far too complicated 😉

Werner_E_0-1714415328944.png


Your second equation also means that v3'(t)=v1'(t) and v3' can be replaced by v1' as I did.

So if your equation is correct, you just have a system with two functions to solve for. The third function v3 must be derived as shown above.

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